Author Response
We express our gratitude to the editors for acknowledging the significance of our findings and
facilitating the review process. We would also like to thank the reviewers for dedicating their
time to thoroughly read the manuscript and provide valuable insights.
During the revision process, we will address the raised issues and concerns, confident that our
revisions will enhance the clarity and strength of the paper.
In response to the reviewers' feedback, we acknowledge that some of the relevant information
was previously presented in our published papers (Meng, Dev Cell. 2017; Xia, Elife. 2021).
However, we recognize that in the current version of the manuscript, we may not have
expounded on these details as clearly as needed. We will rectify this shortcoming in the revised
version to provide a more comprehensive account of our research.
We also explain our perspective on why the discovery of MYRF controlling lin-4 upregulation is
crucial in addressing unanswered key questions in developmental biology.
The Loss of Function Characteristics of myrf-1(ju1121 G274R)
We would like to present the evidence supporting the characteristics of myrf-1(ju1121) as a
loss-of-function mutation affecting both myrf-1 and myrf-2. In our initial paper (Meng, Dev Cell.
2017), the nature of this mutation was a significant focus of our research.
Our investigation involved analyzing multiple alleles (tm, ok, gk alleles from CGC, and indel
alleles made in-house) of myrf-1 and myrf-2, as well as their double mutants. Here is a summary
of our current understanding based on these analyses:
myrf-1 single loss-of-function (l.f.) mutants exhibit penetrant arrest at the end of L1 or
early L2 stages. However, they only display very mild deficiency in DD synpatic
remodeling at 21 hours, primarily caused by a delay.
myrf-2 single l.f. mutants behave similarly to the wild type, exhibiting no significant
developmental abnormalities, including synpatic remodeling.
myrf-1 and myrf-2 double l.f. mutants exhibit penetrant arrest during L2, occurring
approximately half a stage later than in myrf-1 single mutants.
Remarkably, myrf-1 and myrf-2 double l.f. mutants exhibit severe blockage in synaptic
remodeling, indicating that both genes act collaboratively to drive this essential process
(Meng, Figure 5).
The myrf-1(ju1121 G274R) mutation exhibits severe synaptic remodeling blockage and
arrest during L2, closely resembling myrf-1 myrf-2 double mutants (Meng, Figure 1 and
2).
Therefore, despite myrf-1's more significant role in development based on the arrest
phenotype, synaptic remodeling requires the combined function of myrf-1 and myrf-2. This
redundancy is further supported by the analysis of the new set of specific myrf-1 mutants (Xia,
Figure 6).
Both myrf-1 and myrf-2 are broadly expressed (Meng, Figure 3 and S5), and they undergo
developmentally regulated cell-membrane to nucleus translocation (Xia, Figure 4 and
Supplement 1). Overexpressing N-MYRF-1 and full-length MYRF-2 in DD neurons leads to
precocious synaptic remodeling (Meng, Figure 4 and 5). Interestingly, overexpressing full-length
myrf-1 does not have the same effect, indicating potential regulatory differences between these
two factors.
The myrf-1(ju1121 G274R) mutation is located in the N-terminal region of the Ig-fold type DNA-binding domain, specifically within the loop between a and b Ig-fold strands. This site is
conserved across all metazoan MYRFs (Meng, Figure 1D and 6A). The mutant myrf-1(G274R)
loses its DNA binding ability, as demonstrated by a gel mobility shift assay using the counterpart
residue mutation in mammalian MYRF (Meng, Figure 6B).
MYRF-1(ju1121 G274R) mutant interfering with normal MYRF’s function has been supported by
molecular genetics experiments (Meng, Figure 6C-E) and biochemical analysis. In essence, the
MYRF-1(G274R) mutant does not impact MYRF trimerization or MYRF-1-MYRF-2 interaction, but
blocks DNA binding. Substantial evidence has confirmed the physical binding of MYRF-1 and
MYRF-2 both in vitro and in vivo (Meng, Figure 5G and S6; Xia, Figure 1A). Importantly, MYRF-
1(ju1121 G274R) is still able to bind to MYRF-2, as supported by coIP analysis (Meng, Figure S7),
indicating that the G274R mutation does not disrupt the MYRF-1-MYRF-2 interaction. This
observation is consistent with the characteristics of the MYRF structure (PMID: 28160598;
PMID: 34345217). The critical interface of the MYRF trimer is located in the alpha-helix
upstream of the ICE domain, the beta sheets of the ICE, and the beta-helix of the bridge region
between ICE and DBD. Therefore, since MYRF-1(ju1121 G274R) is not situated in this critical
interface of the MYRF trimer, it is unlikely that the mutation affects MYRF trimerization.
With all available evidence, we propose a reasonable model where myrf-1(ju1121) has two
effects: rendering myrf-1 defective in DNA binding and negatively interfering with MYRF-2 by
forming a non-functional trimer consisting of monomer MYRF-1(ju1121) and wild-type MYRF-2.
Regarding the potential neomorphic function of myrf-1(ju1121), the myrf-1(ju1121)/+
individuals appear superficially wild type and show no defects in synaptic remodeling.
Furthermore, we have generated a myrf-1 minigene array that results in a complete rescue of
the developmental phenotype in myrf-1(ju1121) (Meng, Figure 3A-D). Notably, the transgene is
expected to be low copy numbered, as it was generated by injecting at a very low concentration of 0.1 ng/μl. The complete rescue of the phenotype strongly suggests that any potential
aberrant effects caused by myrf-1(ju1121) mutants are minimal.
In summary, myrf-1(ju1121) behaves similarly to myrf-1 myrf-2 double mutants, and we utilized
this allele for the convenience of analysis.
Due to the essential role of MYRF-controlled processes in larval development and the lack of
detectable phenotypic effects in myrf-2 single loss-of-function mutants, it is evident that myrf-2
plays a minor role in these developmental events. Considering that development regulation
rarely follows a simple linear or accumulative fashion, deciphering the relative contributions of
each myrf-1 and myrf-2 in specific developmental events may not be straightforward.
Consequently, our primary focus remains on investigating the functions of myrf-1.
Nevertheless, we concur that providing a clear description of the impact of myrf-1 and myrf-2
single mutants on lin-4 expression is crucial. We are actively conducting ongoing analyses, and
the new findings will be incorporated in the revised version of our manuscript.
Characterizing myrf-1(syb1313, 1-700) as a Hyperactive Allele of myrf-1
The cleavage and release of N-MYRF are developmentally regulated and occur in late L1. We
have substantial evidence supporting the interaction between the non-cytoplasmic region of
MYRF and another transmembrane protein, PAN-1, which is crucial for delivering MYRF onto the
cell membrane (Xia, Figure 1, 7, 8, 10, 11 and 13). The myrf-1(syb1313, 1-700) mutant lacks the
non-cytoplasmic region of MYRF, which is the interaction site for PAN-1. Initial analyses revealed
that in the mutants, MYRF-1(syb1313) remains in the cytoplasmic, ER-like structure, resulting in
larval arrest during L2 (Xia, Figure 8).
However, a more careful analysis unveiled that a small amount of N-MYRF is processed and
enters the nucleus, but this process is not dependent on the normal developmental timing and
may take place during early-mid L1. Consequently, this leads to precocious yet discordant DD
synaptic remodeling and M-cell lineage division (Xia, Figure 6 and 9). Considering the precocious
development, the low quantity of nuclear N-MYRF, and the overall larval arrest phenotype
observed in the mutants, we conclude that myrf-1(syb1313) represents an inconsistent, weak
hyperactive form of MYRF-1. Moreover, the hyperactive function may be context-dependent, for
instance, presence of myrf-1(syb1313) may be sufficient for certain needs in neurons but
insufficient for epidermis. Our ongoing research to identify the downstream targets of MYRF
also supports this notion.
Given that the myrf-1(syb1313) mutant has been thoroughly characterized and published, it is
the most suitable option for use in our current investigations on lin-4 expression.
Furthermore, we employed the MYRF-1(delete 601-650) deletion mutant construct, which is a
significantly more effective hyperactive MYRF-1 mutant when overexpressed. This reagent stems from our ongoing study, which is dedicated to identifying the self-inhibitory mechanisms
of MYRF cleavage. The extensive volume of data that led to this discovery makes it impractical
to include in the current manuscript. However, we are eager to share the substantial effects of
MYRF-1(delete 601-650) mutants in activating lin-4 expression, which strengthens the role of
MYRF in regulating lin-4. We will take care to revise this section to provide clearer references.
The lin-4p::nls::mScarlet(umn84) knock-in reporter is loss-of-function for lin-4; however, lin-4
mature microRNA does not affect lin-4 expression.
Indeed, the lin-4 knock-in reporter umn84 removes lin-4 coding sequence. As a result, the
homozygous reporter strain is also lin-4 null mutants. Since both lin-4 and myrf-1 are located on
Chr II and are less than 4 m.u. apart, the constructed strain is myrf-1 lin-4(umn84) / mIn1
(balanced by mIn1). Consequently, the myrf-1 homozygous animal is also lin-4 reporter
homozygous.
Regarding the endogenous function of the "auto-regulating element," we are aware of the
follow-up paper by Frank Slack's group, in which they concluded that the previously reported
sequence is dispensable for lin-4 expression, and the loss of lin-4 does not affect the expression
of its primary transcript (PMID: 29324872). To avoid confusion, we will remove or revise the
introductory sentences as necessary to accurately reflect this information.
Additionally, besides analyzing the expression of the knock-in reporter of lin-4 (umn84), we also
conducted a thorough analysis of mature microRNA expression using targeted qPCR and
genomic analysis via microRNA sequencing. Both sets of results indicate severely defective
upregulation of lin-4 mature microRNA in myrf-1(ju1121).
No evidence indicates that the 2.4 kb reporter of Plin-4-gfp (maIs134) is an inappropriate
reporter for lin-4 transcription.
maIs134 is originated from the Ambros lab, and to date, there is no single evidence
demonstrating that maIs134 cannot be regarded as a reliable transcription reporter for lin-4
expression. The Stec et al. (Curr Biol 2021. PMID: 33357451) paper suggests that the PCE or CEA
site (at ~ -2.8 kb) outside the 2.4 kb region confers enhancing effects for lin-4 transcription,
but no other published paper has studied lin-4 transcription and cited this finding.
While the Stec et al. paper provides elaborate mechanistic descriptions, the basic
characterization of the importance of CE-A and blmp-1 to lin-4 expression is lacking. Deletion of
CE-A in the lin-4 promoter reporter using an Ex array transgene resulted in highly variable
reporter expression (Stec, Figure 4D). Notably, two high expression data points indicated that a
transgene reporter without CE-A can be highly expressed, suggesting that CE-A is unnecessary
for lin-4 transcription. Only when both CE-A and CE-D (within 2.4 kb) were deleted, the reporter expression was significantly decreased. Moreover, deletion of CE-C (proximal region) alone
caused severe loss of reporter activity, supporting that proximal CE-C is the essential element,
while CE-A is not.
It is important to note that the effect of CE-A on lin-4 expression has not been analyzed using
stable transgenes or genetic deletions in the endogenous lin-4 region. Furthermore, there is no
data on how blmp-1 mutants affect the expression of the wild-type lin-4 promoter reporter, CEA
deletion reporter, or lin-4 mature microRNA, despite the paper’s main claim that blmp-1
boosts lin-4 expression. While CE-A can confer an enhancing effect in epidermal expression
when fused to the gst-5 promoter, there is no data showing that CE-A is sufficient to drive lin-4
transcription by itself.
In summary, there is currently insufficient evidence to establish whether CE-A is necessary or
sufficient for regulating lin-4 expression. In fact, the data presented in Stec et al. (Curr Biol 2021)
suggest that CE-A is unnecessary for lin-4 expression. As such, I do not see any reason to
consider the 2.4 kb reporter in maIs134 as inappropriate for analyzing lin-4 transcription.
Furthermore, our presented data using the knock-in reporter of lin-4 (umn84) demonstrated
that its regulation by myrf is essentially consistent with the observations drawn from the
maIs134 analysis.
The Significance of the Finding: MYRF Regulating lin-4 Upregulation
We are grateful that the editors find our results valuable for those interested in lin-4 expression.
However, we acknowledge that the editors may not share the same enthusiasm as we do,
seeing this as a landmark discovery in understanding postembryonic development, a
fundamental question in the field of developmental biology.
Importance of Understanding lin-4 Upregulation in Development
The foundation of developmental biology has been built on the principles derived from studying
embryonic development in model organisms like Drosophila, exemplified by the Nobel laureates
Lewis, Nusslein-Volhard, and Wieschaus. These principles explain what occurs during embryonic
development, including patern formation, morphogenesis, and differentiation. However, these
existing principles do not fully explain the phenomena of postembryonic development,
including growth. For instance, during C. elegans development in L1, it remains unclear what
controls the initiation of P cell division. If we may exclude dividing cells from the discussion,
numerous stage-specific changes occur in non-dividing cells, including neurons. The extensive,
systematic expression studies of transcription factors in C. elegans have failed to provide
evidence that such developmental progression is driven by sequential activation of
transcriptional cascades, as commonly observed during embryonic differentiation. A different
approach to ask a similar question is to inquire how developmental timing is controlled, e.g.,
"why does it take a boy 12 years to reach adolescence?" This perspective highlights the need to identify potential unidentified checkpoints that control postembryonic stages (An example of
insightful review: The Systemic Control of Growth. Cold Spring Harb Perspect Biol. 2015. PMID:
The upregulation of lin-4 represents a system’s checkpoint during postembryonic development.
Deciphering the mechanism controlling lin-4 expression is instrumental in understanding the
principles of postembryonic development, even extending to adult development, including life
span control.
Importance of the Finding: MYRF's Control of lin-4 Upregulation
To date, no other essential, positive regulator of lin-4 transcription has been identified, although
several negative regulators have been reported. A landmark paper by Victor Ambros identified
FLYWCH as a repressor of lin-4 expression during embryogenesis (PMID: 18794349). FLYWCH
mutants fail to progress to normal hatched larvae, implying that FLYWCH is crucial. The paper
indeed suggested that FLYWCH has additional functions beyond suppressing lin-4, although
these functions have not been thoroughly characterized. The significance of the FLYWCH finding
lies in the elaborate control during the transition from embryo to larval development, where lin-
4 is actively suppressed. This control may ensure the robustness of subsequent lin-4 activation.
The process during the embryo-to-larvae transition, as well as the counterpart process in
mammalian development perinatally, remains poorly understood.
Another negative regulator of lin-4 is lin-42, as reported in three papers in 2014 (PMID:
25319259; PMID: 24699545; PMID: 25032706). Lin-42 negatively regulates lin-4 expression,
despite the main focus of the papers being lin-42's repression of let-7. However, the precise
mechanisms by which this repression is achieved are not fully understood.
Amy Pasquinelli's lab conducted a genome-wide screen to identify factors responsible for
driving lin-4 upregulation but did not identify a critical factor that promotes lin-4 transcription
(PMID: 20937268).
In the recent paper by Stec et al. (Curr Biol 2021. PMID: 33357451), they reported blmp-1's role
in enhancing lin-4 expression. However, the significance of blmp-1 in regulating lin-4 remains
vaguely described, despite a large amount of data describing elaborate epigenetic controls. The
paper did not provide data on how endogenous lin-4 expression is affected in blmp-1 mutants,
nor did it demonstrate how full-length reporter expression is affected in blmp-1 mutants. The
only relevant data appears to be on the CE-A-gst-5 promoter reporter in blmp-1 mutants. As a
result, it remains unclear how blmp-1 affects lin-4 transcription.
In summary, no single factor has been identified, the loss of which leads to significant
deficiencies in lin-4 upregulation. MYRF is the first and a critical factor identified in this context.
This finding represents a significant advancement in our understanding of lin-4 regulation and
its crucial role in development.