- Reviewing EditorMichael EisenUniversity of California, Berkeley, United States of America
- Senior EditorMichael EisenUniversity of California, Berkeley, United States of America
Joint Public Review:
In this manuscript, the authors challenge the fundamental concept that all neurons are derived from ectoderm. The key points of the authors argument are as follows:
Roughly half of the cells in the small intestinal longitudinal muscle-myenteric plexus (LM-MP) that express a pan-neuronal marker do not, by lineage tracing, appear to be derived from the neural crest.
Lineage tracing and marker gene imaging suggest that these non-neural crest derived neurons originate in the mesoderm, leading to their designation as mesodermal-derived enteric neurons (MENs).
Single-cell sequencing of LM-MP tissues confirms the mesodermal origin of MENs.
MENs progressively replace neural crest derived enteric neurons as mice age, eventually representing the bulk of the EN population.
There is broad agreement among the reviewers that the identification and description of this cell population is important, and that the failure of these cells to be labeled by neural crest lineage tracers is not artifactual. The work with transgenic lines is convincing that some presumptive neurons in the enteric nervous system (ENS) likely originate from an alternative source in the postnatal intestine and that this population increases in aging mice.
There is, however, ongoing disagreement between the authors and reviewers about whether the authors' provocative and potentially paradigm-changing proposal that these are neurons of mesodermal origin has been established. While the authors believe they have addressed the reviewers' concerns in multiple rounds of review (much of this prior to submission), the reviewers remain unconvinced and continue to request additional data and analyses.
A key premise of the preprint review system is that the best interests of science are not served by endlessly litigating disagreements around papers by either compelling the authors to do extensive and expensive additional experiments that they do not believe to be necessary or by treating the authors' claim as established in the face of continued skepticism. Accordingly the editor believes it is time to present this work, which everyone agrees contains important observations and valuable data, along with the following editor's synthesis of the reviewers' concerns and author responses about the question of these cells' origins. We encourage anyone interested in the details to review the already posted reviews and authors' response.
The following key issues have been raised during review:
* Is the lineage tracing and marker gene expression data definitive as to mesodermal origin?
* Are the cells analyzed in the genomic experiments the same as those identified in the lineage tracing experiments?
* Does the genomic data establish that the sub-population of cells the authors focus on are of mesodermal origin?
* Are there alternative explanations for the lineage tracing and genomic observations than a mesodermal origin?
* Is the lineage tracing and marker gene expression data definitive as to mesodermal origin? *
The proximal evidence that the authors present for a mesodermal origin of the non-NC derived cells is presented in Figure 2, which establishes the presence, via lineage tracing of Tek+ and Mesp1+ (and therefore mesoderm derived) and Hu+ (and therefore neuronal) cells. The fraction of lineage labeled cells in each case (~50%) corresponds roughly to the fraction of cells that do not appear to be NC derived.
The reviewers raise several technical questions about the lineage tracing experiments, including issues of incomplete labeling, ectopic labeling and toxicity. The authors have addressed each of these with data and/or citations, and the editor believes they have demonstrated, subject to the broader limits of lineage tracing experiments, that there are Hu+ cells in the tissue that are derived from cells that do not express NC markers and that do express mesodermal markers.
One reviewer raised the question of whether these cells are neurons. This appears to the editor to be a valid question, in that specific neuronal activity of these cells has not been established. But the authors' argument is persuasive that their Hu+ state would have led them to be designated neurons and that changing that designation based on not being derived from NC is circular. However the possibility that, despite this accepted designation, these cells are not functionally neurons should be noted by readers.
* Are the cells analyzed in the genomic experiments the same as those identified in the lineage tracing experiments, and does this data establish mesodermal origin? *
To provide orthogonal evidence for the presence of mesodermally derived enteric neurons, the authors carried out single-cell sequencing of dissociated cells from hand-dissected longitudinal muscle - myenteric plexus (LM-MP) tissue. They use standard methods to identify clusters of cells with similar transcriptomes, and designate, based on marker gene expression, two clusters to be neural crest derived enteric neurons (NENs) and mesoderm derived enteric neurons (MENs). However the reviewers raised several issues about the designation of the cells MENs, and therefore their equation with the cells identified in lineage tracing.
While the logic behind specific choices made in the single-cell analysis is not always clear in the manuscript, such as why genes not-specific to MENs were used to identify the MEN cluster and how genes were selected for subsequent analysis (although both issues are explained better in the authors' response to reviewers), they in the end identify a single large cluster that has the characteristics of MENs (it expresses both neuronal and mesodermal markers) that is (by immunohistochemistry) broadly associated with the previously described tissue MENs.
The standard methods for the delineation of clusters in single-cell sequencing data (which the authors use) are stochastic and defy statistical interpretation, and the way these data and analyses are used is often subjective. The editor shares the reviewers' confusion about aspects of the analysis, but also finds the authors' assertions that they have described a cluster of cells that express both neuronal and mesodermal genes, and that this cluster corresponds to the tissue MENs described in lineage tracing, to be broadly sound.
The biggest weakness in the single-cell data and analysis - identified by all reviewers - is the massive overrepresentation of MENs relative to NENs. The authors' explanation - that some cells are more sensitive to manipulations required to prepare cells for sequencing - is certainly well-represented in the literature and is therefore plausible. But it isn't fully satisfactory, especially because it undermines the notion that the MENs and NENs are functionally equivalent (though one could argue in response that increased fragility of NENs is why they are progressively replaced by MENs).
There are many additional questions about the single cell analysis that are difficult to resolve with the data in hand. I think everyone would agree that an ideal analysis would have more cells, deeper sequencing, and comprehensive validation of the identity of each cluster of cells. But given the time and expense required to carry out such experiments, we cannot demand them, and must take the data for what they are rather than what they could be. And in the end, it is the editors' view that these data and analyses bolster the authors' claims, without conclusively establishing them. That is, these data should neither be dismissed nor, on their own, considered definitive.
* Are there alternative explanations for the data than that they are mesodermally derived neurons? *
As discussed above, the reviewers generally agree that the lineage tracing experiments are careful and well-executed, and the authors have provided data that demonstrates that the data are highly unlikely to be due to either incomplete or ectopic lineage marking. The reviewers raise several possible alternative hypotheses, some based on the literature and some based on the genomic data. The authors discuss each in detail in their response. The editor would note that, at this stage in the history of single-cell analysis, the criteria for using single cell sequencing data to establish cell type and cell origin is are not well established, and that neither the presence nor absence of specific sets of genes in single cells should not, for both technical and biological reasons, be considered dispositive as to identity.
* Additional aspects of paper: *
There are additional intriguing aspects of the paper, especially the increase in the number of MENs relative to NENs over time, suggesting functional replacement of one population with the other, and some evidence for and speculation about what might be regulating this evolution. However these are somewhat secondary points relative to the central question at hand of whether the authors have discovered a population of mesodermally derived neurons.
* Editor's summary and comment: *
The editor believes it is a fair summary to say that the authors believe they have gone to great lengths to provide multiple lines of evidence that support their hypothesis, but that these reviewers, while appreciating the potential importance of the authors' discovery of an unusual cell type, are not yet convinced of its origin.
In an ideal world, the authors, reviewers and editor would all ultimately agree on what claims the data presented in a paper supports, and indeed this is what the traditional journal publishing system tries to achieve. But the system fails in cases like this where no consensus between authors and reviewers can be reached, as it neither makes sense to "accept" the paper and imply that it has been endorsed by the reviewers, nor to "reject" it and keep the work in peer review limbo.
There is certainly enough here to warrant the idea and the data and arguments behind it being digested and considered by people in the field. It may very well be that the authors - who have spent years working on this problem and likely know more about this population of cells than anyone on Earth - are right that they have discovered something that changes how we think about the development of the nervous system. To the extent the reviewers are representative, people are likely to need additional data to be convinced. But it is time to put that to the test.
Reviewer #1 (Public Review):
The manuscript by Kulkarni et al proposes a new cellular origin of ENS, which is increased with age and therefore may be associated with the gradual decline of gut function. The study is based on an initial observation that many enteric neurons do not seem to retain tdTomato expression in Wnt1Cre-R26-Tom mice, suggesting a loss of neurons that are replaced by a non-neural crest source. Further detection of reporter expression within the ENS of Tek and Mesp Cre-lines indicated a mesodermal origin of the new enteric neurons. Mesodermally derived neurons (MENS) were associated with Met, while neural crest derived neurons (NENS) expressed Ret. GDNF could decrease occurrence of MENS (defined as tdTomato-negative cells), while HGF had the opposite effect. Age-associated decline in gut transit was alleviated with GDNF treatment, while Ret heterozygote mutants had an increase of MENS. Overall, the study suggests that neural crest derived neurons are replaced by mesodermal-derived neurons that lead to an overall reduction in GI-physiology and that manipulation of the balance between the two types of neurons could have beneficial effects of age-associated gut malfunction. Generation of neurons from non-ectodermal sources would be a paradigm shift not only in the ENS, but in the Neuroscience field as a whole. The presence of mesenchymal marker genes in subsets of cells of the ENS in native gut tissue is convincing and the lack of retained fluorescent reporter expression in ENS from the many neural and Cre drivers used is indeed clear.
The current state of the manuscript is though not conceivable as it has unsound interpretation of data at many places, most importantly there is no firm connection between the MENs identified in tissue and the scRNA cluster annotated as MENs. "scRNA-seq-MENs" show very little expression of the bona fide neuron markers used to detect "tissue-MENs" including Elavl4 and the overall proportions of "scRNA-seq-MENs" in the tissue is very far from that of "tissue-MENs". Hence, the claims that "tissue-MENs" equals "scRNA-seq MENs" could be excluded or their interpretation discussed in an unbiased manner. Marker expression of "scRNA-seq MENs" are suggestive of mesothelial cell identities, not ENS cells. Even the annotation of scRNA-seq profiles denoted as neural-crest derived enteric neurons (NENs) is highly questionable as 25% of the cells display bona fide lympathic epithelial cell markers and no neuronal markers.
Reviewer #2 (Public Review):
In this study, the authors propose the possibility that some neurons in the enteric nervous system (ENS) originate postnatally from a non-ectodermal source. This possibility is investigated using a combination of transgenic lines, single cell RNA-sequencing (scRNA-seq), and immunofluorescence. Initially the authors identify a subset of neurons within myenteric enteric ganglia that are not lineage-labeled by canonical neural-crest derived cre-LoxP strategies. In their analysis, the group seeks to show that these neurons have an origin distinct from neural crest-derived progenitors that are known to initially colonize the developing gut. The team uses multiple cre lines (both Wnt1-cre and Pax3-cre) as well as several distinct reporter lines (ROSA-tdTomato, ROSA-EGFP, Hprt-tdTomato) to demonstrate that the lack of labeling by neural crest cre transgenes is consistent across several tools and not due to any transgene or reporter line artifact. Based on prior analysis that suggests some neurons in the ENS might be arising from a mesodermal lineage, the authors evaluate the possibility that mesoderm could contribute neurons to the ENS by evaluating expression of Tek-cre and Mesp1-cre tagged cell types in myenteric ganglia. The work with transgenic lines is convincing that some ENS neurons originate from an alternative source in the postnatal intestine and that this population increases in aging mice.
The authors apply single cell RNA-sequencing to identify additional markers of these non-neural crest enteric neurons. They rely on dissociation of laminar gut muscle preparations, stripped from the outside of the adult intestine, that contain many cell types including smooth muscle, vasculature, and enteric ganglia. In the analysis of this scRNA-seq data, the authors focus on a cluster of cells in the resulting UMAP plots as being the MENs cluster based on labeling of this cluster with three genes (Calcb (CGRP), Met, and Cdh3). Based on expression of these marker genes there are a very large number of MENs and very few neural crest-derived enteric neurons (NENs) seen in the UMAPs. It is not clear why this difference in cell numbers has occurred. The early lineage tracing data shown with cre transgenes (Figures 1 and 2) shows relatively equal numbers of NENs and MENs in confocal imaging studies, yet in the RNA-seq UMAPs thousands of MENs are displayed while very few NENs are present. There is the possibility that the authors have identified a cell cluster as MENs that does not coincide with the Mesp1-cre or Tek-cre lineage labeled neurons observed within enteric ganglia of the laminar gut muscle preparations. The authors state that they have "used the single cell transcriptomics to both confirm the presence of MENs and identify more MEN-specific markers", however there is not a direct relationship made in this study between the MENs imaged and the cells profiled by single cell RNA-sequencing.
In their analysis the authors note a difference in the percentage of enteric neurons labeled by the neural crest lineage tracer line, Wnt1-cre, relative to the total neurons labeled by the pan-neuronal marker HuC/D with age of the mice studied. They undertake a temporal analysis of the percentage of Wnt1-cre labeled neurons over total HuC/D neurons over the lifespan and note a decrease of Wnt1-cre labeled neurons with age. Further, the team assessed levels of growth factors that are known to promote proliferation and survival of NENs (GDNF-Ret signaling) versus factors known to promote growth of mesoderm (HGF) with age and document a decrease in GDNF-Ret signaling while HGF levels increase with age. The authors propose that the balance between these two signaling pathways is responsible for the shift in proportions of NENs versus MENs in aging animals.
Some of the conclusions of this paper are supported, but several additional analyses are needed to reach the outcomes that the authors infer:
Because the scRNA-seq data generated in this study derives from mixed cell populations present in laminar gut muscle preparations, there is a gap between the image data shown for the mesodermal cre lineage tracing and the MENs clusters the authors have selected in their single cell RNA-seq analysis. The absence of direct transcriptional profiling of cells labeled by Mesp1-cre or Tek1-cre expression prevents the authors from definitively connecting their in situ lineage labeling with specific clusters in the single cell RNA-seq analysis.
Differential gene expression is the standard approach for identifying markers of a particular cluster and yet this is lacking in this study, and the rationale for why some genes were prioritized as markers of MENs is missing from the manuscript. Reanalysis of the authors posted single cell RNA-seq data found that genes integral to calling MENs (marker genes) were detectable in the data. Met, Cdh3, Calcb, Elavl2, Hand2, Pde10a, Vsnl1, Tubb2b, Stmn2, Stx3, and Gpr88 were all expressed in very few cells and at low levels. Given this, how were these genes chosen to be marker genes for MENs, especially given the low sequencing depth utilized?
The authors rely on Phox2b as a marker for all ENS cells, including MENs. However, reprocessing of the authors posted single cell RNA-seq data finds that Phox2b is not detected in any of the cells in the MENs cluster and it's only expressed in very few cells of the neuroglia cluster. This discrepancy between the data the authors have generated and what is widely known about Phox2b expression in the ENS field must be explained as the absence of Phox2b message suggests there is an issue with reliance on low-depth scRNA-seq data for reaching the stated conclusions.
The authors have not considered potential similarities between their MENs and other developing ENS lineages, like enteric mesothelial fibroblasts reported by Zeisel et al. 2018, and further analysis is needed to show that MENs are indeed a distinct cell type. Top marker genes of the author's MENs clusters were expressed more often in the clusters that were left out of Morarach et al 2021's E15.5 and E18.5 datasets because those clusters were mostly Phox2b-negative on UMAPs. This lack of Phox2b expression matches the characteristic of the MENs clusters' Phox2b-negative status in the authors single cell dataset. It is important to note that the Morarach dataset consists of Wnt1-cre lineage labeled (originating from neural crest) flow sorted cells. This is of import as it implies that Phox2b-negative cells ARE present within the Wnt1-cre lineage labeled population, an aspect that is relevant to this study's data analysis.
Upon reprocessing of the authors MENs-genesis dataset with integration by sample as the authors describe, Met expression is evident within the cluster of NENs on the resulting UMAP plot and yet the authors rely on this gene as a marker of MENs. Whether Met expression is restricted to MENs should be resolved because the authors state it is exclusive to MENs and they subsequently investigate this gene across lifespan. Because it is not clear that Met is absent from neural crest derived enteric neurons this caveat complicates the interpretations of the present study.
The authors apply MHCst immunofluorescence to mark MENs, but do not show any RNA expression for the MHCst transcripts in their single cell data. How did the authors come to the conclusion that MHCst IHC would be an appropriate marker for MENs? This rationale is missing from the text.
Reviewer #3 (Public Review):
In this manuscript, the authors challenge the fundamental concept that all neurons are derived from ectoderm. Specifically, they aim to show that while the early ENS arises embryologically from neural crest (NENs), with age it is slowly replaced by mesoderm-derived neurons (MENs). This claim is based on an array of transgenic reporter mice, immunofluorescence, and transcriptomics. They further propose that the transition from NENs to MENs is regulated by a changing balance in GDNF-RET versus HGF-MET signaling, respectively.
This is a provocative and potentially paradigm-changing proposal, but the data presented and the interpretation of that data fall short of establishing it.
MENs share more common characteristics with fibroblasts. The authors interpret this as representing neurons with fibroblast characteristics. Why not fibroblasts with neuronal characteristics? The ability to express neurotransmitter receptors and calcium channels is common in fibroblasts, but that isn't sufficient to characterize a neuron. For example, many cell types express neurotransmitters (CGRP in ILCs, Penk in fibroblasts). Expressing one of the Hu proteins (Elavl2) probably isn't enough to call these "neurons," especially when neurons usually express Elavl3-4 (HuC/D). Including calcium imaging and showing presence of action potentials would strengthen the argument that these are in fact neurons.
The scRNA-seq is unconvincing. There are several technical issues and the analysis omits important information required to make an unbiased assessment.
a. One issue in the interpretation is that MENs are shown by IHC to constitute half the neuronal population, with NENs making up the other half. The authors state that they performed an unbiased approach, sequencing all cells in the muscularis. If it were truly unbiased, then why do they detect a 28-fold increase in MENs in the single cell data? This does not reflect the IHC findings and points to an issue in technique that needs to be addressed.
b. Cell populations annotated by the author are confusing. The "unknown" population expresses many genes that are epithelial markers. This is puzzling because the authors state that they only sequenced the muscularis. This leads to questions regarding the initial samples and whether they were dissected appropriately or contaminated by another population.
c. The authors report a population of ICCs at P21 which is not identified at 6-months. Closer inspection of their data shows bona fide ICC markers, Ano1 and Kit, in their SMC cluster at 6-months, with failure to identify ICC clusters, raising questions about whether they have identified a new cell type.
d. While the authors critically examine other scRNA-seq datasets and claim that those groups mislabeled their populations, the above does not instill confidence in their ability to counter the unified literature.
MENs are identified based on genes that could be related to neurons, including calcium channels, neurotransmitter receptors, etc. It is worth noting that mesenchymal cells, ICCs, and smooth muscle also possess these characteristics. Therefore, it hard to justify why these MENs are considered "neurons." The authors should perform an analysis to examine homology between clusters in order to show which clusters the MENs are more similar to, neurons or otherwise.
Several issues raise questions about the quality of the scRNA-seq data, making interpretations very difficult:
a. MENs are identified to have higher UMI counts than other cells, which the authors interpret as the cells being bigger than others. If this is the case, why is this only observed in the P21 dataset and not at 6 months. Notably, high UMIs are also a sign of doublet contamination.
b. Authors include data from RBCs. As they do not have a nucleus, RNA abundance is low as expected. However, markers for RBCs include smooth muscle specific markers, MYH11 (an MEN marker) and Acta2. The presence of these markers can indicate high levels of "ambient RNA" which enters droplets from other cells lysed during digestion. Interestingly, MENs appear to cluster close to RBCs.
c. In light of the above possible evidence of doublet contamination and high levels of ambient RNA, the markers of MENs need to be reconsidered. MENs are stated to express markers that were previously (up until this manuscript) accepted markers of intestinal mesothelium (Ukp3b Krt19, WT1), smooth muscle cells (Myh11), and fibroblasts (Dcn, C3, Col6a1), raising the possibility that MENs are an erroneous cluster containing RNA from all these cell types.
- The MEN population appears to be the largest cell population in the gut, which is unprecedented. The authors compare their scRNA-seq data to several other studies that have not made similar observations. Such analysis of other datasets is used to inform on the new data being generated. In the current manuscript, however, this takes the reverse approach and the authors analyze other data based on the assumption that they all mislabeled the MEN population.
a. In their assessment of Drokhlyansky et al., the authors claim that their mesothelium annotation is wrong despite expressing known mesothelial markers. This includes the gene Upk3b which is a bona fide mesothelial marker in the gut but is also expressed by "MENs." They proceed to analyze the Elmentaite et al. dataset and state that their "transitional fibroblast" population are actually MENs. That paper also has a population of Upk3b+ mesothelial cells and it is unclear why those are not actually MENs like in the Drokhlyansky et al. study.
b. The authors often refer to the study of May-Zhang et al. and their cluster annotated as "mesenchymal neurons" in the gut. It should be known that the original authors never made this claim. Rather, they acknowledge that the clusters in their study with poor correlation to neuronal profiles exhibit strong predictions for mesenchymal and vascular/immune cell types. They state: "We considered the possibility that these clusters might be non-neuronal." If these are "mesenchymal neurons" then the same logic would indicate that there are vascular neurons and immune cell neurons, and therefore this does not make a very compelling case.
- A weakness of this study is that a lot of the data relies on reporter gene expression. The authors need to acknowledge several weaknesses of this approach. First, Wnt1-tdT recombination may be incomplete or one can have "Cre mosaicism" and therefore the lack of tdT is not sufficient evidence to say that those neurons are not neural crest-derived. Second, one can have off-target or leaky Cre expression, leading to low-level tdT expression, as seen in many of the images in this study. Third, Cre can exhibit toxicity and this may be more problematic in older mice given the long-term continuous expression of Cre (He et al, Am J Pathology, 2014;184:1660; Loonstra et al, PNAS, 2001;98:9209; Forni et al, J Neurosci, 2006;26:9593; Rehmani et al, Molecules, 2019;24:1189; Gillet et al, Sci Rep, 2019;9:19422; Stifter and Greter, Eur J Immunol, 2020;50:338).